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TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby MS » Nov 14. 2013, 00:24

The Ultimate Fighter Season 18 Episode 11 VIDEO
Team Rousey vs. Team Tate: Mean Girls

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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby MS » Nov 14. 2013, 00:25

... coming soon

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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby redeyeddawn » Nov 14. 2013, 00:58

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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby Johnny Denver » Nov 14. 2013, 01:16

Thanks a lot redeyed. I really appreciate it.
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby redeyeddawn » Nov 14. 2013, 01:19

On occasion its fun to be quick on the draw 8)
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby Hambolavirus » Nov 14. 2013, 02:48

Spoilers...







I honestly think Pena's bum-rush style of stand-up catches the girls she's faced by surprise. The chick's got athleticism, heart and a good gas tank.. and once she picks up more technique, she's gonna be a real handful for anyone. But right now, her game is: charge-in swinging - wrestle-f*ck - look for late finish. I seriously doubt this 'charging style' is gonna work with a striker of Rakoczy's calibre, or Pennington for that matter. Also think that Moras under-performed and let Pena dictate where the fight went. I guess sometimes, desire and ferocity trumps skill - but you know, props to her for making it work.
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby mikeblues » Nov 14. 2013, 03:01

MS wrote:The Ultimate Fighter Season 18 Episode 11 VIDEO
Team Rousey vs. Team Tate: Mean Girls


MAN!,,,,I can't believe how pumped up and emotional I get whenever I watch the girls fight!!! I NEVER thought I would feel this way about female fighters!....War Women!!!....
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby Rawdogg69style » Nov 14. 2013, 03:45

After i seen Pena upset tha first girl i was a fan...shes a horny lil firecracker with gutts...her castmembers hatin because Dana likes her style...if i were in that house id love to be her f*ck buddy!
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby DutchBlak » Nov 14. 2013, 05:36

the video was loading epic slow I found a bunch more links here if anyone needs
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby terra2805 » Nov 14. 2013, 05:37

Crazy shit man!!

For all of her lack of technique she looked pretty damn effective in there once again. And she knew everyone was rooting for Sara....have to give her props man. That girl has heart for days and has no fear once she gets in there. Give her a couple more years and she could do well. The fact that she didn't tap and had her arm dislocated in the first fight with Sara tells the story of how much heart she has.

Felt bad for Sara man but she'll get another chance I think.

I think Grant takes the last fight.

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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby Lucky » Nov 14. 2013, 05:47

Pena can only get away with her style (or honestly athleticism in lieu of style) because WMMA's is 15 years behind the men. She closes her eyes when she rushes and Sarah gifted her that first takedown, trying to do a hip throw while in a body lock. Duh.

For most of the first round, Pena looked terrified to try any GNP at all, because it seemed she was reliving the ghosts of their first fight. The second round was much, much better. I think both girls had serious nerves and only one of them channeled it into the fight.
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby Lucky » Nov 14. 2013, 05:49

Also, during the octagon entrances I kept seeing a nervous Miesha watching the proceedings, while a set of mystery hands were rubbing her shoulders. I was thinking that's sweet of Bryan Caraway (though isn't he supposed to be cornering?) and then it pulled back and it was instead the lesbian in the house. HAHA! Making moves, son!
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby bigpimp » Nov 14. 2013, 05:55

Hambolavirus wrote:Spoilers...







I honestly think Pena's bum-rush style of stand-up catches the girls she's faced by surprise. The chick's got athleticism, heart and a good gas tank.. and once she picks up more technique, she's gonna be a real handful for anyone. But right now, her game is: charge-in swinging - wrestle-f*ck - look for late finish. I seriously doubt this 'charging style' is gonna work with a striker of Rakoczy's calibre, or Pennington for that matter. Also think that Moras under-performed and let Pena dictate where the fight went. I guess sometimes, desire and ferocity trumps skill - but you know, props to her for making it work.


Her ferocity catches them by surprise. Also the fact that she's not afraid to get hit, and when she does get hit she keeps coming on. They are not used to opponents like that. And she does have good technique. She throws long punches. Uses her reach pretty well. A nice long, straight jab. She looks pretty wild, but that can happen when you throw punches with bad intentions like she does. Watch Tyson when he's unloading on a guy, it can look pretty wild too. I don't know where you got the idea that Moras is a better or more technical striker from.
I think her style would work well against both Penington and Rackoczy. Watch Penington's fight against Leslie Smith. Penington tends to counter-punch with single shots. Against Smith she faced a fighter who could take her punches and keep firing, and got overwhelmed. Pena looks like she could do that too.
Pena's aggression will be just what she needs against Rackoczy. Not allow her any time to move away and turn it into a boxing match. She'll be in her face from the first bell, and from the clinch she should get the takedown easy. If she could takedown moras who was supposed to be the best wrestler in the house besides Bayzsler, then I don't see Rackoczy a novice at the grappling game doing much about it.

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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby Lucky » Nov 14. 2013, 06:06

bigpimp wrote:Her ferocity catches them by surprise. Also the fact that she's not afraid to get hit, and when she does get hit she keeps coming on. They are not used to opponents like that.


Like Cyborg. Except Cyborg is a high level BJJ black belt and muay thai killer.

bigpimp wrote:And she does have good technique.


Nope. Watch her rushes in slow motion, they are ugly as hell. And yes, I've watched Iron Mike flurry in slow-mo, that's a thing of beauty. (and his eyes are open)
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby mmead1143 » Nov 14. 2013, 07:18

Pena is a pressure fighter so until someone can keep her out of their face she'll be a problem for anyone. Once someone keeps her at bay she'll have a much tougher time.
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby terra2805 » Nov 14. 2013, 09:07

bigpimp wrote:
Hambolavirus wrote:Spoilers...







I honestly think Pena's bum-rush style of stand-up catches the girls she's faced by surprise. The chick's got athleticism, heart and a good gas tank.. and once she picks up more technique, she's gonna be a real handful for anyone. But right now, her game is: charge-in swinging - wrestle-f*ck - look for late finish. I seriously doubt this 'charging style' is gonna work with a striker of Rakoczy's calibre, or Pennington for that matter. Also think that Moras under-performed and let Pena dictate where the fight went. I guess sometimes, desire and ferocity trumps skill - but you know, props to her for making it work.


Her ferocity catches them by surprise. Also the fact that she's not afraid to get hit, and when she does get hit she keeps coming on. They are not used to opponents like that. And she does have good technique. She throws long punches. Uses her reach pretty well. A nice long, straight jab. She looks pretty wild, but that can happen when you throw punches with bad intentions like she does. Watch Tyson when he's unloading on a guy, it can look pretty wild too. I don't know where you got the idea that Moras is a better or more technical striker from.
I think her style would work well against both Penington and Rackoczy. Watch Penington's fight against Leslie Smith. Penington tends to counter-punch with single shots. Against Smith she faced a fighter who could take her punches and keep firing, and got overwhelmed. Pena looks like she could do that too.
Pena's aggression will be just what she needs against Rackoczy. Not allow her any time to move away and turn it into a boxing match. She'll be in her face from the first bell, and from the clinch she should get the takedown easy. If she could takedown moras who was supposed to be the best wrestler in the house besides Bayzsler, then I don't see Rackoczy a novice at the grappling game doing much about it.


I don't know what you saw but I'm pretty sure Pena has no technique in her punches. She was rushing forward blindly throwing punches hoping to land, and to be fair she did land a few but against trained strikers who relish opponents that blindly rush in like that she would get countered into oblivion. Moraes probably is the more technical striker who picks her shots but she just got rushed and overwhelmed. She wasn't ready for it. The straight punches were most likely because that's a standard rookie punch when rushing forward madly and probably the only punch she knows at this point as she didn't throw anything else. She's not an experienced fighter and has only had a few fights.

Moraes did actually try to counter her coming in with hooks a couple of times but I don't think she was expecting that level of ferocity. There wasn't that much stand up anyway but of the punches that were thrown Pena had more success of course but that was only due to rushing forward all the time, which any pro will tell you is a rookie mistake. It just worked out for her this time but fighting like that won't get her very far anywhere else but on TUF IMHO. She didn't really overwhelm Moraes with the striking anyway it was on the ground she dominated the fight mostly and Moraes was known for her groundwork and subs more than her wrestling ability.

I seriously do not see any comparison to Tyson on any level, not even close. I'm not even sure if you're serious about that in all honesty. She may even have more success with her 'bull at a gate' style on TUF but it won't succeed if she makes into the UFC, unless she refines her striking a lot and stops blindly rushing in like she did. I don't think she would beat Rackoczy or Pennington the way she did Moraes, it's possible but I doubt it. They will be expecting it which will make all the difference IMO.....we'll see.

Props to Pena for an impressive win but that blind aggression tactic will only work a few times at best IMO.
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby Saash » Nov 14. 2013, 09:50

great fight for me with happy ending :twisted:
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby Muzio » Nov 14. 2013, 13:31

Noo... chesecake lost. Damn :(

She was helpless in the clinch and contempt to be on the back. Not good! Maybe a little overconfident with all the others cheering for her.

And to the usual sexism: The only part of the fight I liked was when I imagined myself als Julianna pressing my face into those boobs after the takedown in the first :(
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby bulldoger » Nov 14. 2013, 13:37

She didn't really overwhelm Moraes with the striking anyway it was on the ground she dominated the fight mostly and Moraes was known for her groundwork and subs more than her wrestling ability.



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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby ToughGuy » Nov 14. 2013, 14:58

awe f*ck, Julianna seems like such a cunt, let's hope Rocky will pummel her in the finalle
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby thevillain » Nov 14. 2013, 16:49

Nice fight :D
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby CoconutJuice » Nov 14. 2013, 16:54

You guys don't seemed to be bothered by this episode. It was a pain to watch it until the fight happens. Lucky the next fight will be the guys. I had to fast forward from all the crying and girl drama of jealousy.
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby bigpimp » Nov 14. 2013, 19:47

So you are saying she won simply because her opponent was poor and couldn't handle her rookie rushing technique? Pena just did the same thing against Shayna Bayzsler. Bayszler is about as experienced as they get in WMMA. A very well-rounded fighter who is ranked in the top ten for the div. If Pena is able to land punches on these people with no technique then she truly is amazing.

She doesn't blindly rush in. See James Thompson for that, or some ammy fights. She comes in behind a jab for one. Something Hendo failed to do against Vitor. She picks her moment and doesn't hesitate to strike. I wasn't comparing her to Tyson, only to say that a well-respected world champ can look wild too when swinging with aggression at times. Pena keeps her hands up, her punches go out and back to her guard. She does have a head down a bit when she swings, but that's better than having your chin out like most MMA fighters. Pernell Whitaker she is not, but to suggest she has no technique is ludicrous.

And what do mean you can’t come forward all the time? Tell that to Henry Armstrong. Or Joe Frazier, or mike Tyson. Or Fedor for that matter. Who also happens to be Pena’s favourite fighter. Maybe you think he had rookie level skills too.

I predict Pena smashes either Rackoczy or Pennington in the finale, and you are going to have to eat crow then my friend.
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby bigpimp » Nov 14. 2013, 19:48

This was in reply to terra2805
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby bigpimp » Nov 14. 2013, 20:00

Lucky wrote:
bigpimp wrote:Her ferocity catches them by surprise. Also the fact that she's not afraid to get hit, and when she does get hit she keeps coming on. They are not used to opponents like that.


Like Cyborg. Except Cyborg is a high level BJJ black belt and muay thai killer.

bigpimp wrote:And she does have good technique.


Nope. Watch her rushes in slow motion, they are ugly as hell. And yes, I've watched Iron Mike flurry in slow-mo, that's a thing of beauty. (and his eyes are open)


Show me where she closes her eyes.
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby terra2805 » Nov 14. 2013, 21:12

bigpimp wrote:So you are saying she won simply because her opponent was poor and couldn't handle her rookie rushing technique? Pena just did the same thing against Shayna Bayzsler. Bayszler is about as experienced as they get in WMMA. A very well-rounded fighter who is ranked in the top ten for the div. If Pena is able to land punches on these people with no technique then she truly is amazing.

She doesn't blindly rush in. See James Thompson for that, or some ammy fights. She comes in behind a jab for one. Something Hendo failed to do against Vitor. She picks her moment and doesn't hesitate to strike. I wasn't comparing her to Tyson, only to say that a well-respected world champ can look wild too when swinging with aggression at times. Pena keeps her hands up, her punches go out and back to her guard. She does have a head down a bit when she swings, but that's better than having your chin out like most MMA fighters. Pernell Whitaker she is not, but to suggest she has no technique is ludicrous.

And what do mean you can’t come forward all the time? Tell that to Henry Armstrong. Or Joe Frazier, or mike Tyson. Or Fedor for that matter. Who also happens to be Pena’s favourite fighter. Maybe you think he had rookie level skills too.

I predict Pena smashes either Rackoczy or Pennington in the finale, and you are going to have to eat crow then my friend.


I respect that you have your own perspective and opinion but I simply offered mine.

As far as Baszler goes, she is old skool, Pena is a "new breed" up and coming fighter who has much more hunger and desire to win which is clear to see in her fights and she also has mad heart. What I'm saying is that when she comes up against a solid, experienced striker who can keep her at range and stop her bull rushing and takedowns then we'll see just how much striking 'technique' she has. I just honestly feel it was more aggression than technique.

She seemed pretty efficient on the ground but I don't rate her striking at all but that's just my opinion. She landed her punches simply by constantly pressuring and rushing forward, pretty much blindly, not with technique. Do you really see technique in her striking??

I'm also familiar with Thompson and his "rushing forward" style but IMO he is just as amateurish as Pena. Thompson isn't the sharpest tool in the box though so it's understandable. That guy thinks he can win every fight with brute force, lol.

I also wouldn't compare fighters like Fedor, Tyson or Frazier to anything Pena did. They move forward and apply pressure aggressively in a cold and calculated manner, as does Valesques. They don't run at opponents with eyes closed just winging punches, they are thinking fighters there is a huge difference. Aggression and calculated aggression, there was nothing calculated about the way Pena runs at her opponents throwing nothing but straight punches. I also don't think Tyson ever really looked "wild" He always looked to me like he knew exactly what he was doing. Again, cold and calculated versus blind aggression.

She may beat Rackoczy and even Pennington who knows?....but it's JMO that she won't. I don't think she'll have as much success against seasoned strikers who really know how to dictate range. Don't forget that Baszler is hardly a great striker and Moraes has also barely had 5 fights to date so I really don't rate those wins. Again, JMO.

I won't have to eat crow or anything else either my friend as I am simply offering an opinion not stating facts like you seem to be. Saying stuff like that you're just setting yourself up to look the fool if she doesn't beat them.....I won't rub it in if it turns out that way.....promise. :wink:
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

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terra2805 wrote:
bigpimp wrote:So you are saying she won simply because her opponent was poor and couldn't handle her rookie rushing technique? Pena just did the same thing against Shayna Bayzsler. Bayszler is about as experienced as they get in WMMA. A very well-rounded fighter who is ranked in the top ten for the div. If Pena is able to land punches on these people with no technique then she truly is amazing.

She doesn't blindly rush in. See James Thompson for that, or some ammy fights. She comes in behind a jab for one. Something Hendo failed to do against Vitor. She picks her moment and doesn't hesitate to strike. I wasn't comparing her to Tyson, only to say that a well-respected world champ can look wild too when swinging with aggression at times. Pena keeps her hands up, her punches go out and back to her guard. She does have a head down a bit when she swings, but that's better than having your chin out like most MMA fighters. Pernell Whitaker she is not, but to suggest she has no technique is ludicrous.

And what do mean you can’t come forward all the time? Tell that to Henry Armstrong. Or Joe Frazier, or mike Tyson. Or Fedor for that matter. Who also happens to be Pena’s favourite fighter. Maybe you think he had rookie level skills too.

I predict Pena smashes either Rackoczy or Pennington in the finale, and you are going to have to eat crow then my friend.


I respect that you have your own perspective and opinion but I simply offered mine.

As far as Baszler goes, she is old skool, Pena is a "new breed" up and coming fighter who has much more hunger and desire to win which is clear to see in her fights and she also has mad heart. What I'm saying is that when she comes up against a solid, experienced striker who can keep her at range and stop her bull rushing and takedowns then we'll see just how much striking 'technique' she has. I just honestly feel it was more aggression than technique.

She seemed pretty efficient on the ground but I don't rate her striking at all but that's just my opinion. She landed her punches simply by constantly pressuring and rushing forward, pretty much blindly, not with technique. Do you really see technique in her striking??

I'm also familiar with Thompson and his "rushing forward" style but IMO he is just as amateurish as Pena. Thompson isn't the sharpest tool in the box though so it's understandable. That guy thinks he can win every fight with brute force, lol.

I also wouldn't compare fighters like Fedor, Tyson or Frazier to anything Pena did. They move forward and apply pressure aggressively in a cold and calculated manner, as does Valesques. They don't run at opponents with eyes closed just winging punches, they are thinking fighters there is a huge difference. Aggression and calculated aggression, there was nothing calculated about the way Pena runs at her opponents throwing nothing but straight punches. I also don't think Tyson ever really looked "wild" He always looked to me like he knew exactly what he was doing. Again, cold and calculated versus blind aggression.

She may beat Rackoczy and even Pennington who knows?....but it's JMO that she won't. I don't think she'll have as much success against seasoned strikers who really know how to dictate range. Don't forget that Baszler is hardly a great striker and Moraes has also barely had 5 fights to date so I really don't rate those wins. Again, JMO.

I won't have to eat crow or anything else either my friend as I am simply offering an opinion not stating facts like you seem to be. Saying stuff like that you're just setting yourself up to look the fool if she doesn't beat them.....I won't rub it in if it turns out that way.....promise. :wink:


I took some offence to your opinion because it is offensive to say a fighter has no technique. It's also disrespectful to her opponents that someone could like that could beat them. She didn't blindly bullrush, what fight did you watch? One of the key skills in boxing is initiating your punches from the furthest distance away. A lot of fighters get closer than they need to before they punch because of poor technique. Cyborg is one example. Pena has great long punches. This is partly why she surprises her opponents so much. They are unused to getting struck from that distance. If you cannot see this you need to do some study. Check out this clip, Kenny Weldon will break it down for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snNE0xIt-1o

Bayszler is old skool huh? Well Moras was new skool and she just got demolished. I don't think Pena's winning because she is "new breed", i think it's just that she is good plain and simple. And please don't try to diminish Bayszler's striking. Yes it's not elite, but she is solid. She's proven that over her career against high level opponents. To suggest her striking is rubbish is again a ridiculous opinion.

I'm foolish because I make a prediction on the fights? You're the one who said she has no technique, yet you are still not sure Rackoczy or Pennington could beat her. That sounds foolish to me.
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby terra2805 » Nov 15. 2013, 00:48

bigpimp wrote:I took some offence to your opinion because it is offensive to say a fighter has no technique. It's also disrespectful to her opponents that someone could like that could beat them. She didn't blindly bullrush, what fight did you watch? One of the key skills in boxing is initiating your punches from the furthest distance away. A lot of fighters get closer than they need to before they punch because of poor technique. Cyborg is one example. Pena has great long punches. This is partly why she surprises her opponents so much. They are unused to getting struck from that distance. If you cannot see this you need to do some study. Check out this clip, Kenny Weldon will break it down for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snNE0xIt-1o


Every MMA fighter has some technique and I have never once disrespected Pena, all I said was I don't thing her striking has good technique and I still don't. That has nothing to do with her as an overall fighter and I still say she will get picked apart by an experienced seasoned striker. We obviously saw completely different stand up skills then as far as Pena goes. Thank for the link but not needed, it won't change my opinion and you obviously know what you're talking about a lot more than me because you agree with Kenny Weldon's breakdown.

I believe I know enough about striking to form my own opinion, so thanks for the boxing 101 but I might of even trained in it a little over the years so excuse me for disagreeing and I'm so sorry if I "offended" you. I don't think I need to study anything. I think you do but there you go.

bigpimp wrote:Bayszler is old skool huh? Well Moras was new skool and she just got demolished. I don't think Pena's winning because she is "new breed", i think it's just that she is good plain and simple. And please don't try to diminish Bayszler's striking. Yes it's not elite, but she is solid. She's proven that over her career against high level opponents. To suggest her striking is rubbish is again a ridiculous opinion.


Like I said, Baszler is old skool and she's never been ultra impressive or a top contender IMHO. She's beat high level opponents?? Who are the best opponents she's beat? Julie Kedzie and Alexis Davis one time but her last fight before TUF was a rematch with Davis and she got choked out. Anytime she faced a top contender she got beat. Sarah Kaufman and Sara McMann both beat her and even Roxanne Modafferi beat her. She's always been inconsistent too never stringing more than 3-4 wins together her whole career.

Like I said, with the women in the sport today I don't rate her. I respect her but I don't rate her in todays WMMA landscape. Like I also said Moraes is also young in her career and is not exactly a seasoned or experienced striker. She's not a stand out fighter either in terms of the new breed either, though it's a little early to judge with any real conviction yet. Nice way of trying to twist what I meant though.

bigpimp wrote:I'm foolish because I make a prediction on the fights? You're the one who said she has no technique, yet you are still not sure Rackoczy or Pennington could beat her. That sounds foolish to me.


Is your reading comprehension ok? Did I say you were foolish for making a prediction?.....no. I said you were setting yourself up to look a fool if Pena doesn't beat Pennington and Rackoczy after making such an assertive prediction. You even went on to say that I would have to "eat crow"? When I didn't give any predictions as such because I'm all too aware that you can be wrong about any given fight because anything can happen. I just expressed the thought that I don't think she will. Like I said before....she just might, who knows but I don't think she will.

Please tell me....what's foolish about not committing to the outcome of any given fight? I don't think Pena will beat both Rackoczy and Pennington. But she might.....it's not impossible and I recognise that, nothing foolish about that. IMO it's more foolish to predict with such conviction because anything can happen and you have a long way to fall if you're wrong.
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Re: TUF 18 Episode 11

Postby thepopularjock » Nov 15. 2013, 05:50

Thanks for the links guys.

I pretty much agree about her style and what it's limits would be. I also agree that she is pretty HOT (or did I just say that ?) :twisted: Well whichever - she has been fun to watch.

I also noticed just how strong Pena really is. Sara was being billed as one of the bigger/stronger girls in the house and by the 4 min mark of the 2nd round - Pena had her synched up against the cage and Sara was NOT getting out. Pena is really strong for her size. I was impressed.
I hope Pena gets naked and wins the whole thing!!!!! :mrgreen:
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