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Re: Lion vs. Tiger

Postby Golden Prime » Sep 25. 2012, 21:08

This (Post) is soley on the favoring of what "Countrys" favor a winner of lion vs tiger in a (Fight)??? Not What country has either or just used on coat of arms, or emblems because of (Native idenitys)... No, just what country has the direct dipliction an implimation of one or the other defeating the other in a remnent, scripture, sculpture, painting, etching, statue, an any type of (visual reading or pictorial artifact) from 50-1,000 years worth. Which would show a winning course, a advantage, a kill move, a leverage in the art-deco it self... that is under-standable or agree-able the it is portraying an evident winner.
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India:-(Indegidous to lions an tigers)

India the lion is known as the King of the beast, not the tiger.
http://books.google.com/books?id=o5eTQnIUF88C&pg=PA287&lpg=PA287&dq=lion+tiger+greece+fight&source=bl&ots=ZDLb53pWWs&sig=wsLpq5pgJ_I0MRW0Uv7cMBqBA1k&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FnEXUN_UKsSKrAHT-IDoCw&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA
Indian folklore has the lion as the ultimate test not tigers.
http://www.wild-india.com/IndianAnimals/indian-lion.html
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Rome:-(Importaions as far back as the 2nd century)

City In Greece the lion not the tiger is the King of the beast…
http://books.google.com/books?id=b-ubyslaBRMC&pg=PT17&lpg=PT17&dq=lion+fight+tiger+atlantis&source=bl&ots=wyRf4_FGem&sig=akzO_ZFN27A7E9MdxjpjQ-g2YUw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zZsTUOnoFdSpqQGFg4HIAg&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ

“Next, the arena was lowered to feature combat between them  as lions tore apart tigers, an went up against
bears, croc’s leopards against wolves. It goes without saying that the Romans had never heard of animal rights.
~Ken Spiro; WorldPerfect
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Another mosaic in the House of the Faun , now badly damaged, showed a lion
standing over a prostrate tiger. http://books.google.com/books?id=vt9JwsNcKzwC&pg=PA148&lpg=PA148&dq=lion+tiger+faun&source=bl&ots=isc59w57MT&sig=EYFviHdwZOCiZa-eQuPmGwQcEbc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_g4PUNLlJaf5iwLPuYHgDw&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2162/2327160149_b2c00365d3.jpg  
lion kills tiger in Roman arena
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And slew before their wond'ring sight, A wild beast conquered in the fight. A tiger
who confronting stood And from this lion sought for blood ; But in this sanguinary
strife The tiger sacrificed his life. While with flesh torn from slaughtered prey, ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=VwzA4gENNOUC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=lions+slew+fight+tiger&source=bl&ots=9CU5hIxytT&sig=EqyrCd5x1yafy2uDAgC3hUqvWz0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1Y8IUOuPJqrq2AXKwcTPBw&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ

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Japan:-(Importations as far back as the 16th century)

This episode is a pantomime about a lion and a tiger. They fight each other and the lion catches the tiger in the end. This episode is originated from topographical characteristics of Mt. Baek at Suyeong. When a big lion appears in dancing, a tiger (called "Dambo") comes. They dance and talk back and forth. In the end, the lion catches the tiger.
http://www.suyeongminsok.or.kr/eng/menu01_02.php
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Armenia:-(Indigedous to the Caispian tiger an asiatic lion)

The lion mangles in his lair the tiger of the east
http://books.google.com/books?id=j8hZAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA563&lpg=PA563&dq=lion+fights+combat+tiger++dead+abu&source=bl&ots=Fdgs65WC2_&sig=H7vWueW753wdCAb9rkRSImuqoKs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MnQGUJaIHKGQ2QWN7PW_BQ&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAA
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Peru:-(Importations of all sub-speices of lions and tigers)

lion kills three tiger’s Source: Altoona Mirror, September 27., 1928
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British:-(Once had Cave lions later as early as King henry the first imported lions an tigers from around the world)

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Germany:-(Once had lions on there boarder lines of Russian sythians of siberian tigers an asiatic lions)

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North Africa:-(Indidgedous to African lions joining in parts to India of where lions and tigers territorys overlapped)

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China:-(Indidegous to the Asian tiger, Afghanistan sent lions to Chinese emperors as gifts in order to get the right to trade with Silk Road merchants.  (205 B.C. to 220 A.D in China) and during the Tang Dynasty (716-907 A.D.))

Lion fighting a nian who the tiger couldent.
http://www.sevenstarmantis.co.uk/7.html
A lion slaps on the face of a tiger as they fight for the control of a pool at a zoo in Nanjing, east Chinas Jiangsu province July 18, 2004. The lion finally occupied the cool water of the pool in the summer heat wave after it defeated its challenger in two minutes."  
~Peoples Daily Online
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America:-(Only importations)

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London:-(Once had European lions later just Importations has had Kings pitted lions an tigers for Royalty)

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Russia:-(Indigedous to the Siberian tiger once had asiatic lions in the south east reigons of Russia)

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Clearly there's no animal more used in heraldry than the lion. The GEO (famous german science magazine) has examined which animal is used how many times in heraldry for each continent (in general). These were the results (Black=big cats): Showing lions are used in every continent while tigers only 2.
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Re: Lion vs. Tiger

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Re: Lion vs. Tiger

Postby Golden Prime » Oct 1. 2012, 19:38

Lion’s have harder strike’s, shown in this clip hitting a bigger and hevier tiger the mane dosent weigh that much, it’s just very thick an dense hair an by the size of the tiger, his mass look’s even the same size of the lion’s mane, concluding the tiger is hevier an the lion still outpower’s him by bashing him with the usual haymaker’s lion’s throw, in the same instance the tiger threw first, yet the lion’s more powerful strike’s goes right threw the tiger’s attempt for a double strike which they usually use to grab , but the lion strike’s with such percsion an power he bashes the tiger so hard, he completely fliped the tiger on his back a meter away…
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Lion’s are stronger in the front limb’s there bigger, taller, broader and stronger shoulder’s aid’s them in being better fighter’s an out wrestle’s tiger’s…
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Pound for pound lion’s are way stronger than tiger’s, this lion look’s bigger but it’s only because of the mane, both lion and tiger are about the same size, yet he still hit’s harder, also chasing off the competition as they usually do, due to dominant trait’s of the male lion…also proving a lot of expert’s correct as tiger’s only throw wildly not accurately, in this fight the tiger misses 6 time’s an mostly all other fight’s tiger’s always’s miss more than 50% fighting a lion, here…
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People like to use this video as the tiger is winning? It only prove’s what 80% of animal trainers an expert’s say…which is tiger’s are explosive fighter’s an tire themselve’s out quickly aiding there poor stamina, but how many time’s did the tiger land any thing at all? Let’s count them 1st lunge, barly nips the mane…which lunge’s cost energy…2nd lunge, misses which cost energy…3rd lunge misses…which cost’s energy, By doing so the lion is only using superior fighting tactic’s of dodging because they hardly clinch as tiger’s do, This video prove’s the other video^^^ that tiger’s have very poor accurate swipe’s more of just swinging wind mill’s along with the end every swipe is absorbed by the mane as the tiger must reap what hit’s his head area…
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80% of swipe or bite is protected by the mane, as you can see the mane protect’s bite’s that can usually add up on a tiger, yet it has no effect on the lion in terms the lion can completely focus what he is doing which is draging around and mauling the tiger, which in the big cat fight world, every bite count’s…
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Zoologist graph of the usual outcome
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Re: Lion vs. Tiger

Postby Kazparov » Oct 1. 2012, 20:17

Dude..... great posts. I think you should expand your research ability to other threads here on MMAshare.
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Re: Lion vs. Tiger

Postby AIDS » Oct 1. 2012, 20:31

Kazparov wrote:Dude..... great posts. I think you should expand your research ability to other threads here on MMAshare.


I wonder if he had all this pre-made and regularly types in "lion vs tiger" into google to see if/where people are discussing this. Then he pounces :D
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Re: Lion vs. Tiger

Postby Kazparov » Oct 1. 2012, 21:05

AIDS wrote:
Kazparov wrote:Dude..... great posts. I think you should expand your research ability to other threads here on MMAshare.


I wonder if he had all this pre-made and regularly types in "lion vs tiger" into google to see if/where people are discussing this. Then he pounces :D


WOW! You'd think if that was the case he would have dropped all of this information at once while the thread was actually active..... Or maybe that was just part of his plan all along :shock:

Personally, I think he's a Lion and he's just hyping himself.

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Re: Lion vs. Tiger

Postby Golden Prime » Oct 2. 2012, 01:44

Kazparov wrote:
AIDS wrote:
Kazparov wrote:Dude..... great posts. I think you should expand your research ability to other threads here on MMAshare.


I wonder if he had all this pre-made and regularly types in "lion vs tiger" into google to see if/where people are discussing this. Then he pounces :D


WOW! You'd think if that was the case he would have dropped all of this information at once while the thread was actually active..... Or maybe that was just part of his plan all along :shock:

Personally, I think he's a Lion and he's just hyping himself.

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lol well I heard this fraze (Do your Research) told to me like a bagillion times on subject, an people talking high an mighty like there some type of lion or tiger owner an seen hundreds of fights or something lol...so...I did a little research, an since I accumilated so much an see so many Bias sites that hide information to better have people learn on a Bias point of view, I just put together a counter debate, which this topic is pretty intresting from what I see. But again proganda can with-hold alot of the truth sometimes, which the truth is all I'm intrested in...like look at wiki, it states tigers can have a 300 pound advantage...thats a crazy signficant amount, but with a little studying up I found out that was balone, lions an tigers (both) average only 420 pounds an when it comes to the big boys lions can reach what ever weights the tiger can...Here...
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{What ever weight’s the tiger has reach so can the lion}
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408kg=904 pound lion named Ali owned by Charle’s mason of King’sbridge
http://www.impeyan.net/default.asp?iId=KMFIH
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg139/scaled.php?server=139&filename=900lblionestimatedoz7.jpg&res=landing
Two…900 pound lions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmUtjFBx6eM
- 900 pound lion
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1755&dat=19630112&id=l9YeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=n2UEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4456,2398849
818 pound lion named Ponto fight’s off 2 tiger’s an terrorizes crowd
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http://newspaperarchive.com/oakland-tribune/1959-03-27/
826 pound lion named Simba
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http://junglephotos.com/africa/afanimals/mammals/lionnathist.shtml

802 pound lion named Mubasa
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http://www.kansastravel.org/britspaughzoo.htm
http://www.thirdage.com/humor/800-pound-lion-receives-root-canal-video
810 pound lion named Baron attack’s tarzan 1967, in Cleveland, OH
John (Tarzan) Zarbeini with his 800 pound lions...
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http://www.tzproductions.com/index.php/history
2… 800 pound lion’s 1 named Prince an 1 named Clarence

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http://mfinley.com/tumor/bt-bwana-mike.htm

806 pound lion named Rutledge
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800 pound lion
http://books.google.com/books?id=r_itw5QtTkUC&pg=PA159&lpg=PA159&dq=800+pound+lion+africa&source=bl&ots=L7PO7yWlAS&sig=Da81WuQXgd9ZRE6mRQtvA6qaGy8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MNoNUNOJGuKC2wWUuYC4AQ&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA
800 pound lion in circus
Trump: The Art Of The Deal
But Irving was very much like a lion tamer. You've seen these guys, maybe I50
pounds, who walk blithely into a cage where there's a magnificent 800~pound lion
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http://books.google.com/books?id=Ye6e_VxM00kC&pg=PA88&lpg=PA88&dq=800+pound++lion&source=bl&ots=6XuRpqILHh&sig=FPFItABXapR4OZWM76XTRCImwz0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mHwGUICmL-Pg2gWQxMXTBQ&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCQ
800 pound lion named woody owner Hells angels
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http://books.google.com/books?id=9MIDKlXj60AC&pg=PA169&lpg=PA169&dq=800+pound++lion&source=bl&ots=6qj9mAg4nV&sig=oYDzO5qhhaADM55op3qdUPe0FLc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VX0GUJC2Leqi2gXO4MmPBQ&ved=0CCQQ6AEwADgK
900 pound lionCBS News investigative correspondent Armen Keteyian speaks about the debate and what it was like doing an interview within feet of a 900-pound lion.
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http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/x364597531/Morning-Jolt-Haunted-home-for-seniors
800 pound lion
http://animal.discovery.com/fansites/wildkingdom/last-lions-india/asiatic-vs-african/asiatic-vs-african.html
800 pound lion named Leo breaks double plated window in Radio station1932
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http://cbsboston.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/lionunleashedinwbzstudio.jpg?w=300

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=apghAAAAIBAJ&sjid=SZoFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1205,5537289&dq=800+pound+lion&hl=en
822 pound lion named Nero Killed With One Shot. Nero Slain As It Devoured Cow In...
Daily Star - Oct 2, 1908
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=MMVUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=uI8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6318,5099819&dq=lion+killed+with+one+shot+nero+slain+as+it+devoured+cow+in&hl=en
850 pound splendid male (nutered) lion named Rhino
(Source)International Exotic Feline Sanctuary in Boyd, TX
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http://www.bigcat.org/
Two 800-900 pound lions escaped from the Ringling Bros. and Bar- num & Bailey Circus Saturday los Angeles Times - Jun 17, 1973
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Re: Lion vs. Tiger

Postby Floyduss » Oct 2. 2012, 03:10

Golden Prime dropping knowledge.
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Re: Lion vs. Tiger

Postby Golden Prime » Oct 2. 2012, 04:04

Floyd wrote:Golden Prime dropping knowledge.

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lol Small kine...I like how wiki also states that (Most) Experts favor the tiger an gives three non-experts as there alibie, they owned tigers an lions but that dosent make them experts, I own Pitbulls, but am I an expert in there past an over-all capabilities? Not really, I know they could wreak an do some damage but no more than just saying they have Game, which isint a statistical explaination, now is it? These guys on the other hand have more credability an looks to be alot more...I mean Tiger 3<46 Lion
{Expert’s, Trainer’s, Scientist, Owner’s, Zoologist’s Opinion’s on Lion vs tiger’s}
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1.Tiger an lion Expert Dave hoover, said lions are the better fighter’s.
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2.Indian Zooligist Jam sahib exploit’s bias cat enthusiasist “Karish singe” an witnesses 4 ocasian’s lion’s beat tiger’s an give’s his opinon on lion’s
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3. Animal Trainer and Expert Louis Roth, favors the lion over the
tiger in a fight. In his book
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4.Animal Expert Alfred court, thinks the lion wins over the tiger in a fight[Book]
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5.Animal Trainer John Helliot, favors the lion over the tiger in a fight he’s the guy on the right hand side of clyde beatty who also had a lion kill a polar bear article
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6.Animal Expert Dave Salmoni, says he’d give the edge to a lion in a
fight with a tiger.
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7.Animal Tamer Clyde Beatty, said lions will win 9/10 against tigers.
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8.Animal enthusiast and poet Oliver Goldsmith, ranked the lion over the tiger who had many year's working with trading an studying many animal's...
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9.Animal Expert an Tamer Courtney cooper, said lions usually win more
in tiger fights. In her book she state’s
LIONS"N"TIGERS"N"EVERYTHING 1924 By Courtney Riley Cooper.
Page 32, I like the tiger cat more than I like the lion cat.
Page 68, lions are "King Of Beasts"
Page 70, lion kills a tiger in a very brutal fight.
Page 78, Cooper says lion is "King Of Beasts" and a good father.
Pages 84-85, FEMALE tiger kills heavier MALE tiger defending her cubs.
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10.Poet an painter an animal enthusiast Geroge Buffon, picked lions over tigers in a fight., who had been part of renaged's in transporting lion's and tiger's...
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11. Big cat trainer Jim Chipperfeild support’s the lion in a fight with a tiger.
{Lion vs tiger Book}
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12..Big cat trainer Edward. jewitt wheeler, say’s the lion is superior to the tiger. {Lion vs tiger Book}
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/lionandtigerlionsuperiorfightingabi.jpg
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13.Big cat tamer, Isac kaufman funk, agree;s lions are superior to tiger’s.
{Lion vs tiger Book}
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/lionandtigerlionsuperiorfightingabi.jpg
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14.Lion an tiger trainer, Willam seaver wood’s, say’s a lion would beat a tiger.
{Lion vs tiger Book}
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15.Tiger an lion tamer Arther stimson Draper, says lion’s uaslly win against tiger’s.
{Lion vs tiger Book}
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16.Brother of Isac kaufman funk, wilfred john funk agree’s lions are superior.
{Lion vs tiger Book}
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17.Marco peter’s lion and tiger trainer say’s male tigers are afraid of male lion’s.
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18.Big cat expert Alex Kerr goes with a lion in a fight with a tiger.
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19.Indian zooligist Kalish shankala say’s lion’s beat tiger’s due to mane’s.
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20. Sir Frank . owner of bowstock say’s lion’s are more dangerous than tiger’s.
http://www.nfa.dept.shef.ac.uk/jungle/index1a1.html
21. Lee Yong Phil zoo keeper say’s lion’s dominate tiger’s.
http://animal-tigers.blogspot.com/2011/02/dominated-by-black-tigers-in-everland.html
22. Frank C. Mendel, professor of pathology, say’s male lions mostly wins in fights with other cat’s
http://medicine.buffalo.edu/content/medicine/faculty/profile.html?ubit=fcmendel
23. Chapter 4 Sajamu, religous dance’s rein acting of lion’s that killed an ate tiger’s.
http://www.mask.kr/coding/english/sub08.asp
24. Circus performer an big cat owner Geroge conklin say’s in his book the male lion has the advantages over other cat’s
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25. Beatty cole state’s that lion’s do kill tiger’s
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26.Caroll soo holl apperntly know’s lion’s are capable of killing male tiger’s
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27. Burt Nelson say’s lions usally whips the tiger’s
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28.Entire team of Tiger territory a site that has 200 page’s of studying information dedicated to the tiger, has a confirmation that lion’s are superior to tiger’s in fighting
http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict7.html
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29.1842 animal new’s article having a trainer of all animal’s…saying lion’s were the most dominate animal and feared more above tiger’s.
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30.The mengerine…Lions will not stay in the same cage with tigers. We tried this once, putting a lioness in with a Bengal tiger. There was a fierce fight and the lioness nearly killed the Bengal."Chapter V11
http://www.circushistory.org/History/OnRoad2.htm
31. Caviar and Cabbage [Book] Melvin B. Tolson .
Tolson was the professor, poet and writer portrayed by Denzel Washington in
The Great Debaters , which is based on a true story from 1935 America.
http://www.marcnorton.us/93588/102643.html
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32. Sir Samuel w. baker has carefully compared the strength and other qualitie’s of the lion an tiger an he decide’s in favor of the lion.
http://www.oldandsold.com/articles35/animals-2.shtml
http://books.google.com/books?id=5XFRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA762&lpg=PA762&dq=sir+samuel+baker+lions+and+tigers+book&source=bl&ots=vytNsXChw7&sig=pbFGbyGmNsYlG4GzpAyy_us2C6o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5JHBT_XeN4aUiQLH4oHjBw&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAw

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33. THE CATS OF SHAMBALA 1985 By Tippi Hedren and Theodore Taylor
Page 176, tigers are the original scaredy-cat. Although most ferocious under certain conditions, adults are scared silly over numerous odd things. Thunder and Lightning which a lion takes in stride, panics a tiger. Silver reflectors scare tigers, if you want to take over a room full of tigers walk in wearing a silver suit. In the movie ROAR a big siberian tiger name ivan backs down from a tiny lion cub. Tippi Hedren is a former actress that has lions and tigers and other animals on her compound in Acton,Ca.
34. Animal Planet team of zoologist enthusiast and scientist, concluded the lion would win in a fight with a tiger…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_PHs-kbypo
35. Interesting read on Dr.Sc Giuliano Russini view on Lions and Tigers.

...African lion presents phenomena of aggressiveness which, contrary to what is thought render it more dangerous in the wild than the tiger and more difficult to manage in captivity, as observed by the zoological biologists.... This caused by overheating corporeal overheating phenomena, is in fact a handicap in case of prolonged fights, drawback not found in the lion who, as they say, “will struggle up to the death”.Same can be said for the fighting techniques, which all stand in favour of the Panthera leo ,accustomed, as it is, to face in the savannah a great variety of preys and competitors, in comparison with the solitary tiger....
http://www.photomazza.com/?Panthera-tigris
36. Circuss owner an big cat owner Geroge conklin say’s lion’s are stronger in term’s of pure power.
http://www.readbookonline.net/read/53518/99655/
37. 36. Randy miller favor’s a lion against a tiger in a fight.
38. Craig busch favor’s a lion over a tiger in a fight.
39.---{1959}--- A tiger never fight’s fair, but in a fair fight a lion can whip any animal…
Source: Milwaukee Journal november 12, 1959
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40. But to get back to the lions and tigers, apparently it is a very hard thing to put lions and tigers together. I read that scientists say that lions have the strongest forelegs of the big cats, and they have a knack to being more ferocious. Even though tigers are heavier and longer, it's ferocity that determines a winner. Lions have all the equipment of a fighter with huge forelegs, the mane, and the stocky body. Because of the mane the male lion is a poor predator. He however has a fierce desire to defend his territory. They have been known to kill or drive off rhinos. The tiger is nervous around a male lion and cat trainers have said that this has caused problems in zoos and circuses.
The same trainers have mostly said that the male lion appears to have no fear of the tiger even in a large group of tigers. The big cat trainer Clyde Beatty lost 12 tigers to lions and didn't lose a single lion. He once had a tiger and lion fighting in a live performance and tried to stop it he couldn't and the lion went on to maul the tiger to death in front of all these people. He also had a lion he called Sultan the First and he beat ever male tiger he ever faced.
http://arlene-wright-correll.wrytestuff.com/swa642954-Finding-Our-Grandfather-In-The-Attic.htm
41. the sixth extinction a tiger will avoid a lion…
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ytb3eYZMTmwC&pg=PT405&lpg=PT405&dq=african+lion+fights+tiger&source=bl&ots=GF61VCkZe7&sig=kvAF8ZtDyaWQujf_E75d95fIkqY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bYQGUIddxdjZBayptK0F&ved=0CFUQ6AEwCDgK
42. The Asiatic journal and monthly miscellany ...
the lion is so powerful an animal as the tiger, but he fights much better. A tiger will
make his attack, and then retire ; but a lion never retreats ; he fights until- he is
killed.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZWN3-payo_8C&pg=PA331&lpg=PA331&dq=lions+slayed+fight+tiger&source=bl&ots=Q9RLRCwtLl&sig=T9BeweLp0Y8d147ni5sjyu3SXlU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yYQIUOGCCKuI2gX0mpjSBw&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBA
43.lion dominate’s an chases tiger around the arena in Rome
Blackwood's Edinburgh magazine, Volume 27
http://books.google.com/books?id=Bx1lkqo4q8YC&pg=PA162&lpg=PA162&dq=ancient+lion+battle+tiger+fight&source=bl&ots=oQP1EtnaeB&sig=OJogE0OvxMuNQxhCBmuOCJBVYmM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VXIfUKbHKOzqiQKPwYHICg&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA
Tiger’s avoid lion’s in combat
Army and Navy chronicle, Volume 6
http://books.google.com/books?id=Q_kRAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA411&lpg=RA1-PA411&dq=ancient+lion+battle+tiger+fight&source=bl&ots=6SgbuGhV-3&sig=NVNf1GQYYoCLvPysS7qQmB2U3Qc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tXkfUN3QM4vnigLR9oGQDQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwBjhG
44.Tigers avoids lions
The Quiver
http://books.google.com/books?id=w-9MAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA253&lpg=PA253&dq=lion+tiger+avoided+combat&source=bl&ots=F-gBFHhbez&sig=sjpgzXZ35URQFAgkUHLvT4_TNo0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LoAfUJmvJuLJiwKh0oHoCw&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA
53. lion defeats tiger to rescue man

"The ferocity of the tiger's disposition has been exaggerated; but although capable of being made quite gentle, they are unreliable in their habits, and apt at any instant to attempt the gratification of a blood-thirsty disposition. Keepers of menageries, however much confidence they may feel in the friendship of the "king of beasts," are always nervous about the tiger, and cautious in their movements. We think it was Van Amberg who was unexpectedly set upon by a tiger, when the lion came to his rescue, and actually threw the tiger down, and held him fast until the man escaped."
Source: http://www.harpers.org/archive/1855/05/0037640
44. chained-up lion defeats tiger 5 times
“The lion is the king of among beasts in other ways than in looks. I once put a big tiger in a cage with a lion, chaining the lion but giving him slack enough to stand up and turn around. It was a night parade and the red fire was burned on the top of my wagon and the animals became greatly excited. The tiger pounced on the lion but I stopped the battle with the stool upon which I had been setting. Later the fight was renewed, the lion knocking the tiger down five times.”
Source: William H. Blackburne, head keeper of the National Zoological Park, 1929
45. 2 lions on a single tiger is just too much…a lion is the biggest of the carnivores in india, they have bigger skulls than tigers…
The Children's hour, Volumes 11-12
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=9-kaAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA166&lpg=RA1-PA166&dq=lions+better+fighters++tigers&source=bl&ots=L2zJSGeZ1K&sig=BQZW9HO646T41rqopL0XjuYtleE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JJAxUK-LL8rTigLS-YGYBg&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw
http://books.google.com/books?id=9-kaAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA167&lpg=RA1-PA166&ots=L2zJSGeZ1K&dq=lions+better+fighters++tigers&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html
46. the lion not the tiger is the unbdisputed King of the forest
http://books.google.com/books?id=8icYAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=lions+undisputed+fighter+tiger&source=bl&ots=Ay1UmC74cw&sig=TrqQL7rHRl7AXgskSoPbAmW9lHA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_5QxUOrNK8r2iwK2-ICwBQ&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=xXEAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA254&lpg=PA254&dq=poetry+lion+fight+tiger+kill+won&source=bl&ots=5WQPUb0gQ7&sig=gWEX_w7GoC6SY7Qs0jKBebxgMqs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qQNgULTJOaP1igLuwIHQBA&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAg[url]
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Re: Lion vs. Tiger

Postby jetpilotx » Oct 2. 2012, 04:49

Wikipedia to the rescue!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_versus_lion

History

In the circuses of Ancient Rome, exotic beasts were commonly pitted against each other. The contest of the lion against the tiger was a classic pairing and the betting usually favoured the tiger.[4][5] A mosaic in the House of the Faun in Pompeii shows a fight between a lion and a tiger.[6] At the end of the 19th century, the Gaekwad of Baroda arranged a fight between a lion and tiger before an audience of thousands. The Gaekwad favoured the lion, and as a result had to pay 37,000 rupees as the lion was mauled by the tiger.[2]

Tiger 1
Lion 0


Competition in the wild

Lions and tigers coexisted in central India until the late 19th century and some accounts of contests were recorded.[7] The University of Minnesota's Lion Research Project describes the resulting findings as unclear: the lions were hunted more than tigers due to them preferring plain land due to which they now only live in Gir forest where no tiger lives.[7] The possibility of conflicts between the two has been raised in relation to the Asiatic Lion Reintroduction Project, which would introduce Gir Lions (Asiatic lions) from Gir Forest National Park to another preserve, the Kuno Wildlife Sanctuary, that contains tigers.[7] Concerns were raised that the co-presence of lions and tigers would "trigger frequent clashes".[7][8] One argument against the lions shifting is that Kuno Wildlife Sanctuary also houses tigers. The tigers being stronger and larger than the lions, are potential threat for survival of lions.[9]

Tiger 2
Lion 0


Physical comparison

Comparative size
Comparative profiles of the lion and tiger.[10]

The Amur or Siberian tiger is the largest subspecies of the Panthera genus, known to weigh up to 800 lbs (360 kg),[11] while large African lions weigh up to 550 lbs (250 kg).[12] Average weight of male is 181 kg for African lion[13], 221.2 kg for Bengal tiger and 230 kg for Siberian tiger.[14]
Tiger 3
Lion 0

Temperament

The tiger is a solitary hunter while the lion is a social animal, living and hunting in groups called prides. Though lions cooperate in hunting, the pride is very competitive during feeding. Weaker animals are pushed aside or chased off. The competitive nature of this social structure makes the lion more prone to fighting, especially males whose very lives depend (since the male isn't as specialized in hunting on the open plains) on getting a pride of their own. The tiger is very quick so keepers of captive tigers must take care to avoid a sudden attack.[15]
Accidental fights in captivity

In historical accounts where lions and tigers have fought in captivity, the tiger often came out the victor. The most recent accounts happened on March 2011, where a tiger at Ankara Zoo attacked a lion through its enclosure and killed the lion with a single paw swipe.[16] "The tiger severed the lion's jugular vein in a single stroke with its paw, leaving the animal dying in a pool of blood", officials said. In 1857, a tiger at Bromwich Zoo broke into the cage of a lion and a fearful scene ensued: the lion's mane saved his head and neck from being injured, but the tiger succeeded in ripping up his stomach, and within a few minutes he was dead.[17] In Coney Island Zoo, in 1909, a male tiger killed a male lion. [18]
ding ding ding!
Tiger 5
Lion 0


Expert opinions

Many Experts, Zoos and Research Institute around the world, have speculated that the Tiger would win in a fight.[citation needed]
Tiger 6
Lion 0

Owner of Londolozi Reserve in South Africa, John Varty cited "People always ask me which one is bigger? If a tiger and a lion had a fight, which one would win? Well, I’ve seen tigers crunch up a full-grown leopard tortoise like it was nothing. And lions try, but they just don’t get it right. If there’s a fight, the tiger will win, every time." [19]
Tiger 7
Lion 0

Famous animal rescue organisation, Big Cat Rescue of Tampa, Florida answered "While we would much prefer that people focus their thoughts on saving these magnificent animals than on who would win if a lion and tiger fight, the power of these two largest cats seems to raise this question in people’s minds. While it would depend on the size, age and aggressiveness of the specific animals involved, generally tigers have a significant advantage."[20]
Tiger 8
Lion 0

Conservation Charity Save China's Tigers, which initiated an unprecedented activity of rewilding Tigers in South Africa stated, "Recent research indicates that the tiger is indeed stronger than the lion in terms of physical strength. Lions hunts in prides, so it would be in a group and the tigers as a solitary creature so it would be on its own. A tiger is generally physically larger than a lion. Most Experts would favour a Siberian and Bengal tiger over an African lion. "[21]
Tiger 9
Lion 0

National Geographic Channel's documentary, "The Last Lions of Asia" mentioned that a tiger has a weight advantage of 50 kilograms over a lion, and can kill a lion in a fight.[22]
Tiger 10
Lion 0


Conclusion. Most of the time, tigers would win. Don't fret, lions can trump tigers at social dominance - being in a pride is better than solo hunting. Downside is, your hunting skills are less due to shared effort and letting the ladies do the hard work. Second plus for a lion is having a defensive mane. Third, a harem.
Tiger 10
Lions 10
(Harem is 7 points)

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Re: Lion vs. Tiger

Postby jetpilotx » Oct 2. 2012, 04:54

http://bigcatnews.blogspot.com/2006/09/study-of-lions-manes-revealing-many.html
I stand corrected. Further study of lions' mane reveals it is a sexual ornament, not a defensive garb. This in turn would slow the lion's attacks.

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Re: Lion vs. Tiger

Postby Floyduss » Oct 2. 2012, 04:59

A Lion would stare a Tiger down :)
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Re: Lion vs. Tiger

Postby Golden Prime » Oct 2. 2012, 05:30

lol Fighting Ignorance one person at a time eh? lol Your Roman Accounts only has one person, [Martial Peters] which his Ephigrams mentioned only one account, so I dont know where your getting invaribly won or always won, present Martial Peters ephigrams so I can show you he mentioned only one account an used the words unexpected an unheard of at any age...meaning for a tiger to have won was rare, an according to a very well source of mine (which I have on hand, said that only victory for the tiger was programed to be so...meaning Staged...so by you saying the tiger always won is a what? a Lie, hence you brought one, I brought 20, an mines isint like yours mentioning one account most of mine has the exact words saying the lions usually won. So there you have it.
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I also like how you mention the tiger side has more experts...can you read or you were just intent in being a looney an tryed to By-pass the the almost 50 I just showed? Besides lets look at the credability of your experts...
Exploiting of big cat expert John varty who is (wiki’s source) who claim’s lion’s are inferior to tiger’s because of weak jaw power, which he stated… the lion has never in history craked open a turtle’s shell like the tiger, well… here’s another exploitation here…
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oibo8kjiwS0
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7CUBYknjWE
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2sMZa9KWBo
Some expert you got there^ lol
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Also did you miss the weights? Thats almost 30.. 800-900 pound lions, yet you give it to the tiger as a advantage? ha ha ha ha okay pall, it will seem you need all the crappy lies you can get at this point.
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Good luck matching this...
Lion kills tigers on 150 occaisons
Read well some have multiple accounts of lions killing tigers

{Recorded Historical Document’s of Lion’s Killing Tiger account’s}
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1.Genius books/Animal facts, Lion named Nero killed Tim the tiger in
an Australian zoo – Documentary.
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionkillstigeratzoo.jpg
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/52688717?searchTerm=
2.1936 Agartala zoo in bengal, a lion kills a male tiger.
When a connecting door between two cages was left open at Agartala, Bengal, by a forgetful zoo attendant, a very large tiger charged its neighbor, a lion. The fight was ferocious, but did not last long, the lion literally tearing the tiger to pieces.”
(Local news report)
3.1935 Sikestonians saw a lion kill a siberian tiger in a local town circus
act.(Documentary)
http://newspaperarchive.com/danville-bee/1935-09-16/
4. 2 tigers died, In the the big cage tiger from a lion-(Video)
http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/gif/f4826dc5d50606ed235b18234caf25ad70d5e4a2_r.jpg
which clyde beatty is talking about lion’s in general… when they are intermidiate family they will gang up on other lions an or tiger’s, other than that, lion’s will not help another lion, and are exellent free for all fighter’s an all clyde beatty’s fight’s for the movie was one on one by properganda’s of the director of the movie.
5.1955 oct, 6 Naturual history society, Page 465-468, 3 separate
accounts lion won all 3.(Documentary)
6.1960 Korea pit fights Male lions won majority of all fights refferrenced by zoo keeper lee young phil.(Hidden news Report)
http://animal-tigers.blogspot.com/2011/02/dominated-by-black-tigers-in-everland.html
lee young phil statement said, there were a few tiger and lion fight’s staged an recorded, and only one that the female tigris fought the lioness was aired in the colloection of animal fight’s… with harsh wording’s of the korean narrirator saying, the lioness was no match for there symbol of power, yet it was a 50/50 fight having the tiger the one bleeding to death. Also saying they were edited an spliced in favor of the tiger, which if there were more than a few male fight’s recorded, why werent they ever shown. It is highly concluded the male lion’s won all, an the video’s were destroyed due to cultrual idlelization’s of the korean’s. Here’s the other alibi to that same fight here…
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/HA28Dg01.html
7.1981 Martin. L Albert witnessed a lion kill a siberian tiger.(Documentary)
8.1954 Lion kills tiger with one blow in Boltimore zoo.(Documentary)
9.1935 In the town Bedford, Masachusetts a zoo lost a tiger to a
lion. “A lion and a tiger battled to the death here. The lion won. When Biller Brothers Circus moved on to its next stop, it left behind the carcass of the loser, a tiger weighing a little over a quarter of a ton.”
~Guinness book of animal fact and feat
10.Gir foreset 3 tigers vs 3 lions, all lions won an lion #2 mauled the male tiger. (Video) -Youtube-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBdpiIxMnMM
11.2011 two teen lions killed a adult male Bengal tiger in an
enclosure.(Video)- Youtube-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNlRBGq3rmk
One of the worker’s were on break, an went down the road to a store taking the key’s to the gate an car they usually break up minor scruffle’s with, , when two… 1.5 year old boy cub’s chased around an harrased a adult male bengal tiger, until he colapsed from exaustion,
http://i.imgur.com/rUyZN.jpg
He tried despertaly to protect himself,…
http://i.imgur.com/8zr8Q.jpg
but the two 1.5 year old brother’s showed no mercy, the tiger roared with hurendous moan’s in agony, after on looker’s shouted for the lion’s to stop shortly after one got a hold of his throat an took his life…
http://i.imgur.com/sApCb.jpg
12 King Edward the lion kill’s Dan the male tiger. (Book)
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/tigerandlionfight3.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/tigerandlionfight4.jpg
13.Calcutta zooligical garden’s a lioness kills a adult male tiger (New’s article)
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionessfightswithatiger.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionessdefeatstiger.jpg
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=GRA18960323.2.25
14.Gambier bulton, brittish mengerine saw a lioness kill a tiger.(New’s article)
15.1925 Rudolf kludsky had said several lions had killed his tiger’s.Several mean’s more than 4= A few years later, Rudolf Kludsky again decided to train a mixed group (22 animals). Mistake. It took three months to get them used to each other. But they were not yet ready to perform. During one of the first shows, the nervous and inexperienced animals engaged in a free for all. One tiger was killed by a lion. Source=Tiger fan named Peter Yuku.com
1925, Rudolf Kludsky trains this mixed group of lions and tigers in the stadium or Turin. In the same year each group of species had to be separated as the lions oftentimes attacked the tiger and even killed several specimens.
http://squaresolid.tumblr.com/
16. M. Herbert’s mengerine lion kills male royal bengal tiger. (New’s article)
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/Lionkillstiger-1.jpg
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/828442?searchTerm
17.1970 pittsburgh Press lion kill’s male tiger in india.(Video)
18. Mr F.c owner of bowstock had a lion kill a male tiger before his act.
(New’s article)
19.1949 in fitchburg a lion kill’s Roger the male siberian tiger in circus act. 500 Pound Circus Lion Arrives In Fitchburg Today After Killing Huge Tiger. The incident, as related today by the trainer of "cats," who has been engaged in this daring business for 29 years or since he was nine years of age took place before the end of the act.The prince, who boasts of partial American parentage, his mother being a native of the United States and his father a Spaniard, said that the battle lasted but five or six minutes.”
Fitchburg, Mass, Friday, June 3, 1949 (New’s article)
20. 1851, In the “Landshuter Zeitung” a lion killed a tiger witnessed by local native’s of India an German Zoologist’s.
~(German new’s atricle)
http://animalsversesanimals.yuku.com/topic/2388/Velar-Male-Lion-vs-Royal-Bengal-Tiger-valauble-rare-account-
21.1985 Alan gold’s circus lion kill’s male tigerAlan Gold also had a mixed group. In 1985, a free for all erupted. He lost two lions and one tiger. The lions were killed by other lions. The tiger was killed by a lion. Gold, regarding the way both cats fight, compared to Beatty. He stated lions fight in a calculated way, where as tigers, in a free for all, are nervous and vulnarable. Source=Tiger fan named Peter Yuku.com
22. Lion kills siberian tiger: in a circus act (February 1951. Detroit).
23. Lioness kills siberian tiger: Happened in a zoo (September 1951. Madras Zoological Gardens).
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount31.jpg?t=1312670134
http://animalsversesanimals.yuku.com/sreply/8061/t/Some-new-accounts-just-for-fun-.html
24. Dave hoover tiger’{s} killed by lion’s
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/Hooverlionsvstigers2.jpg
25. Beatty-cole lion’s kill 2 tiger’s
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/tamerdaveHoover.jpg
26.Clyde beatty’s circus act Ceasar the lion kill’s bobby the tiger.
“Down sprang Caesar, determined to seize the offensive, but before he could do so, Bobby had battled his way through Caesar's paws, grabbed his mane so stubbornly that he couldn't move. For the next couple of minutes each struggled and strained for an advantage, but Bobby's hold was so tenacious that they only succeeded in twisting a little. With the cameras continuing to grind and getting nothing but a little harmless tug of war… Energy spent, the exhausted Bobby tried to roll away from Caesar, but Caesar's hold now was as firm as Bobby's which had been on his mane. Seeing this turn in affairs, I dashed into the cage. Already Caesar's jaws had crunched Bobby's neck and when I got there Caesar was shaking Bobby's limp, bloody head and throat from side to side. Bobby's eyes were turning starey. He was dead and it was only two minutes since I was keenly sorry that I had done it, but in thinking it over I became convinced that my part had been negligible. The lion is frequently the superior; he doubtless would have been the winner in this case no matter what I had done.”
27. Bavenna, OH, Lioness kills tigress
28. 2008 Cheongi the lion kills siberian tigress name Hobi jeonju zoo. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/166/748tb0.jpg/
An this is Hobi after the incident with cheongi, the not so friendly lion…
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/12/117_36355.html
29. 2006 lion kill’s huge siberian white tigress in leberic and czech zoo. There was only one bite mark on Isabella’s throat an no other wound’s concluding even though 2 lion’s occupied the same encloser with isbella the tiger, only one lion attacked isabella.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2009-11-19-Czech-Republic_N.htm
30. Lion kills Puna the male tiger
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/Image-80.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/Image-81.jpg
31. A lion kills a tiger in a pit fight on a palace compound of an indian maharajah prince in front of thousand’s this is not the gir fight.
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionvstigerfights.jpg -
It’s on this site called tiger territory, on lairweb .com here…
http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/
32, TIGER; THE STORY OF THE INDIAN TIGER 1977 By well known Indian Zologist Kailash Sankhala. Saw four accasion’s lion’s defeated tigers in the wild.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51-n1cZ9FyL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
His book was taken from his oringinal text here…
http://bks4.books.google.de/books?id=3_baAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&edge=curl&source=gbs_api
33. Jam sahib well respected of 40 year’s of zoology of lion’s and tiger’s in india has wittnessed 3 fights having all lion defeat tiger’s in his book here…
http://shared.knights.co.uk/albums/KSAMar12/images/lot0706.jpg
Also in his summary, when he exploited keshari singh he point’s them out again here…
http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/JinenFordragon/pagetwoju9.jpg
34. 1834 diary of a literature lion defeat’s tiger.
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/liondefeatstiger.png
35. A lion kills a bear and tiger in 1 fight.
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/books_003-25.png
37. Bob greene speak’s of an old video of local’s of india having a pit fight with a lion fighting a tiger, and the lion won, due to his mane…
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/books-2.png
38. The lion also is protected around the neck by the heavy mane, which is an advantage. There is one instance I remember where a full grown lion and very large tiger engaged in combat, by unforeseen chance of course. It was when the John O’ Brien Show had its winter quarters in Philadelphia and I was connected with it. “A lion and a tiger were in a compartment cage, with a partition between. In some manner this partition was battered down in the night and the two big fellow’s got together. They had probably been issuing challenges to each other and promising what they would do to one another if the chance came. When morning arrived we found the two in the lion’s cage, the tiger dead and the lion all chew and clawed to pieces, but still full of fight.”
~George Conklln, “Adventures With a Circus”
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510U7xDeJ3L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
39.Another lion kills male tiger(Fort Wayne Gazette, 1882
40. Male lion kills male tiger, The Hammond Times, 1935 ,
41.Male tiger killed by a lion (Tri-City Herald, 1956 ,
42.Adult male tiger was killed by a male lion , F. Jefferies, 1834
43. Lion kills male tiger, Fort Wayne, 1902
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NEW YORK. Nov. 2. -Tradition that the tiger is a better animal then the lion in a fight has been disproved as Sr. Nicholas Garden, where one of the biggest striped denizens of the Bengal jungles is suffering from rips and tears inflicted upon him by one of the late king of the South Africa forests. The press agent did not give this story out. Probably he would lose his job if he had, for Bostock is careful to suppress any news tending to show that his animals ever exhibit sanguinary instincts when in the arena. The two big cats in question were brought together several days ago to become familiarized with each other for purposes of a contemplated act in the show ring. The tiger walked nervously up to the lion and began rubbing his nose over the latter's haunches. A low growl was the response. But when the tiger inserted his teeth in the lion's mane, Leo uttered a roar, unmasked his ivories and crouched. The tiger retreated a few feet and then sprang high in the air, intending to come down on the lion. But Leo deftly side-stepped and when the tiger alighted he grabbed it by the head. A twisting of the teeth and a large section of the tiger's face, including one eye, was gone. The trainers and attendants now tried to separate the beasts, which for several minutes rolled over and over each other, snarling, roaring, biting and scratching. Finally they were separated. The tiger, mutilated and bleeding, cowered in a corner, while the lion was defiant in another.

FORT WAYNE MORNING JOURNAL GAZETTE, MONDAY, NOVEMBER 3, 1902.
44,lion kills male tiger Syracuse Herald, 1929
http://newspaperarchive.com/syracuse-herald/1929-09-15/page-84/
45.,lion kills tiger O. Breland, 1963
.A Lioness slew a male Bengal Tiger (Ward, Lock, Bowden, 1896 )
46.Animal reserve:Lion kills 2 tigers one juvi siberian tiger and 1 adult bengal tiger, an had another lion whiped 2 tigers in the same cage…

...I seen a african lion maul our adolescent male Siberian tiger to death. The adolescent was a year old. It is extremely sad that these fights are used for entertainment but at the same time I was awed to see one lion defeat two large tigers with all 3 animals in the cage at the same time.
-My teammates and I were transporting a male African Lion into a cage neighboring a Bengal Tigers cage in Kenya. There was a small opening in between the two cages for intermingling of neighboring animals. It was supposed to be closed at the time but someone forgot to close it. The lion sprang from the transportation container through the opening and mauled the tiger of similar size. We tranquilized the lion but it was too late. Two days later, the tiger died due to fatal wounds. It was a very one sided fight where the lion spent much time chasing the tiger.
http://peperonity.com/go/sites/mview/junglebook/14687797%28p5%29
47. lion kills male tiger
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionkillstigerinafight.jpg
48. lion kills male tiger Logansport Press, November 15., 1934
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49. "A lion slaps on the face of a tiger as they fight for the control of a pool at a zoo in Nanjing, east Chinas Jiangsu province July 18, 2004. The lion finally occupied the cool water of the pool in the summer heat wave after it defeated its challenger in two minutes."
~Peoples Daily Online
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount31.jpg?t=1312670134
50. lion kills tiger ~Coventry Evening Telegraph, 25. of september 1903
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51. Thrill’s at Galore lion kills tiger
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount5.jpg?t=1312674003
52. lion kills tiger "The Jungle behind Bars" by Courtney Ryley Cooper
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53. lion kills three tiger’s Source: Altoona Mirror, September 27., 1928
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54. Lion kills another tiger source: The Herald
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=TH18991223.2.87
55.lion kills tiger in Roman arena
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http://books.google.com/books?id=6zG_SuhbQWcC&pg=PA254&dq=The+amphitheatre+had+grown+so+still,+that+the+clear+melody+of+the+flute+was+distinctly+audible+over+the+whole+vast+space.+As+soon+as+the+disturbance+ceased,+the+king+of+the+beast,+apparently+untroubled+by+the+new+visitor&hl=en&ei=RdhKTs6-KoTV0QH0ooXrBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=The%20amphitheatre%20had%20grown%20so%20still%2C%20that%20the%20clear%20melody%20of%20the%20flute%20was%20distinctly%20audible%20over%20the%20whole%20vast%20space.%20As%20soon%20as%20the%20disturbance%20ceased%2C%20the%20king%20of%20the%20beast%2C%20apparently%20untroubled%20by%20the%20new%20visitor&f=false
57. But to get back to the lions and tigers, apparently it is a very hard thing to put lions and tigers together. I read that scientists say that lions have the strongest forelegs of the big cats, and they have a knack to being more ferocious. Even though tigers are heavier and longer, it's ferocity that determines a winner. Lions have all the equipment of a fighter with huge forelegs, the mane, and the stocky body. Because of the mane the male lion is a poor predator. He however has a fierce desire to defend his territory. They have been known to kill or drive off rhinos. The tiger is nervous around a male lion and cat trainers have said that this has caused problems in zoos and circuses.
The same trainers have mostly said that the male lion appears to have no fear of the tiger even in a large group of tigers. The big cat trainer Clyde Beatty lost 12 tigers to lions and didn't lose a single lion. He once had a tiger and lion fighting in a live performance and tried to stop it he couldn't and the lion went on to maul the tiger to death in front of all these people. He also had a lion he called Sultan the First and he beat ever male tiger he ever faced. There are 3 films that have been made about fights between a male lion and male tiger and in all three the lion won. 'Lion-Tiger Fight', 1930's, Castle Films (16 mm) is a short documentary about a fight between a lion and a tiger which occurred during an expedition to capture some tigers in the Gir region of India (The only place where you can find lions and tigers living together).
http://arlene-wright-correll.wrytestuff.com/swa642954-Finding-Our-Grandfather-In-The-Attic.htm
58. lion kills male tiger in pit fight
http://books.google.com/books?id=LyesAyRMj1MC&pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=african+lion+fights+tiger&source=bl&ots=Q_nlCbHve1&sig=6aJ9sku6f0_rPCbpHI4vcsZho-0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3oAGULKfI4qO2wXAzqWSBQ&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBg
59. 1957 Frankfurt Zoological Gardens,
a free for all erupted at performance of 10 big cats 8 lions an 2 tiger’s the 2 tigers were killed by the lion’s and 2 lions were killed by the remaining 6.
Animal facts and feats: a Guinness record of the animal kingdom
60. Lost Atlantis Or the Great Deluge of All
And slew before their wond'ring sight, A wild beast conquered in the fight. A tiger
who confronting stood And from this lion sought for blood ; But in this sanguinary
strife The tiger sacrificed his life. While with flesh torn from slaughtered prey, ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=VwzA4gENNOUC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=lions+slew+fight+tiger&source=bl&ots=9CU5hIxytT&sig=EqyrCd5x1yafy2uDAgC3hUqvWz0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1Y8IUOuPJqrq2AXKwcTPBw&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ
61. The lion mangles in his lair the tiger of the east
http://books.google.com/books?id=j8hZAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA563&lpg=PA563&dq=lion+fights+combat+tiger++dead+abu&source=bl&ots=Fdgs65WC2_&sig=H7vWueW753wdCAb9rkRSImuqoKs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MnQGUJaIHKGQ2QWN7PW_BQ&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAA
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62. http://books.google.com/books?id=4ILtFslJTDQC&pg=PA251&lpg=PA251&dq=lion+and+tiger+sculpture+italy&source=bl&ots=_zZtRj-Xbt&sig=oeLY3wwRpGtG6PCWb1OlQ64zL6Q&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZwgPUKSmNMuJiwLE74HIDw&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAw
63. Art in the Hellenistic Age
Another mosaic in the House of the Faun , now badly damaged, showed a lion
standing over a prostrate tiger. http://books.google.com/books?id=vt9JwsNcKzwC&pg=PA148&lpg=PA148&dq=lion+tiger+faun&source=bl&ots=isc59w57MT&sig=EYFviHdwZOCiZa-eQuPmGwQcEbc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_g4PUNLlJaf5iwLPuYHgDw&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA
64. The tale of Pompeii
http://books.google.com/books?id=dztAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=lion+standing+over+tiger&source=bl&ots=7a-6_-8mNV&sig=UZk7DGd_GtYPMpb0m_uR4-m1xtc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jQ8PUMuIA4aYiQKlsICYAg&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=dztAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA45&lpg=PA44&ots=7a-6_-8mNV&dq=lion+standing+over+tiger&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html
65. LION AND TIGER FIGHT CASTLE FILM lion kills tiger
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/5/8/4/1/7/7/webimg/543364200_tp.jpg
66. Preferred Argument Structure: Grammar As Architecture for Function lion fights an kills tiger page 412 {Book}
http://books.google.com/books?id=dmAaKhGWq90C&pg=PA412&lpg=PA412&dq=lion+killed+tiger+fight+mountain&source=bl&ots=r0PWHpU3wg&sig=qsqYyR8IoG-whvJjEMM1jm1cLl4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZJMdUND_BKHViwLxpIGoAg&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAQ
67. Western Reserve University bulletin, Volume 1 A lion the victor of a fight with a mangled tiger.
http://books.google.com/books?id=jKk4AAAAMAAJ&pg=RA2-PA44&lpg=RA2-PA44&dq=lion+killed+tiger+fight+reserve&source=bl&ots=natKyEmXlK&sig=vZruY1SzKLv-Wg_9OX0dlYt8pYM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IZsdULXCF4zFiwLlm4D4Bw&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCDgK
68. The Anvár-i Suhailí; or, The lights of Canopus
lion kills several tigers
When the tiger was seized by the lions claw, Death
http://books.google.com/books?id=QBi2OLju39gC&pg=PA65&lpg=PA65&dq=lion+tiger+fight+suited+region&source=bl&ots=gzgy8hlxIc&sig=V2CHvhgzn4klwtkTgh1S2TNkzkg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vzNIUJL_CpDtiQLn_YDIBg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ
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Re: Lion vs. Tiger

Postby jetpilotx » Oct 2. 2012, 07:56

Lions need back up from other lions to get a kill. Tigers do it rambo style. Tigers kill larger game too. Tigers are like the HWs, Lions are the LHWs, Jaguars are the MW.

Tale of the tape, tigers have a 1 inch fang advantage and 25% brain size advantage compared to lions. They are bigger, faster, stronger, more ferocious than lions. Lions have evolved to fight for women and social standing in their pride, tigers have evolved to fight for life.

You are presenting overweight lions, 800lb lions who eat mcdonalds. They are captives. Fat shit like that don't do shit in the wild, they get zulued.

And hey, you asshat plagiarizer.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=661555
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056722177
http://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=msg&t=10522

So, while you present your bias, you will eat up the information that the lion is the king of the jungle. Technically, they don't live in jungles, they live in the savannahs. And Elephants>lions. The only chance a lion can defeat an elephant is when they gangbang a juvenile elephant. So elephants are the king of the jungle.

Evolution wise, tigers are the better predators 1vs1 compared to lions.
Lions thrive in a pride, they are like SWAT or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. The tiger is like Rambo or Jason Bourne.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12669308 - Tiger kills lion with 1 swipe. LOL

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